Comments on: Apollo and Dionysus in the Representational Painting Family Feud https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud perceptions on painting Tue, 14 Apr 2020 02:53:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Laura Vahlberg https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-36742 Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:34:21 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-36742 A wonderful article, thank you Elana!

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By: Anthony Waichulis https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2217 Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:50:35 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2217 In reply to Richard Kooyman.

“Without even trying I can think of 1/2 dozen well respected NYC galleries than deal with artists whose subjects works around realism in some manner. We live in an exciting time in painting today where no one style or manner of making paintings is ruling the roost. Isn’t it time we lay these tired old cliches to rest?”

–Exceptionally well said.

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By: Jerry Weiss https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2216 Sat, 21 Feb 2015 02:04:01 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2216 Elana,

I enjoyed reading this essay, a lively and clear description of different modes of representation. It’s helpful in navigating the constructs of the figurative holy wars, and makes an intelligent argument for dispensing with the individual ego and recognizing a pluralistic environment. This defuses a lot of the proprietary tensions that tend to build between the different schools of realism. The constructs the essay offers are helpful in the broader aesthetic arena, since the implication is that non-representational modes of art may be similarly understood. I suspect some of the unmentioned reasons for the strong antipathy between schools–outside the province of this essay–are those which impact behavior in academia as well: issues of power, preeminence, and the attendant financial and career ramifications. These tensions are enhanced in an environment where most of the participants view themselves as marginalized.

Very good reading. Thank you,

Jerry

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By: Joel Baillie https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2215 Wed, 21 Jan 2015 12:00:59 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2215 Thank you. I know a lot less about contemporary painting than I do about 19th century philosophy; this article has helped to bridge the divide.

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By: Donna Dodderidge https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2214 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:56:13 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2214 Elana,

Thank you for helping me to see my daily, rather elementary, struggles in painting within the greater context of the glorious dynamism of art itself. This is a masterfully integrated essay.

And thanks as always to Larry for generously providing consistently excellent posts.

All the very best wishes in the new year to you and those you love,

Donna

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By: Noel Robbins https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2213 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 08:26:56 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2213 Elana,

You’re on target. You are so on target. Brilliant essay! Beautifully written.

It has simply been Apollo and Dionysus in my head all these years! I’m not crazy after all!! I Can’t wait to tell my wife!!!

Noel

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By: Elana Hagler https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2212 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 01:11:34 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2212 Thank you for your kind words, Kyle and Christopher. I appreciate your comments.

Richard, I also appreciate the questions that you bring up. I think it’s wonderful that you have not personally witnessed such negative and dismissive responses to aesthetic choices. May things continue to move more in that direction! Sadly, these incidents occur all too often, particularly in art schools and institutions, where the next generation of artists is coming up. I like to think that the further we get from the art school experience, the less of this kind of behavior we find, but even that is not always the case. As far as your question of “do you know of any painters who are [fighting it out],” I’m not in the business of naming names, but the answer is an emphatic “yes, and how!” I suppose with any sort of perceived bias, those who have not seen such behavior in action might reasonably doubt its existence, so I’ll just leave it to readers to make their own observations in this regard.

My claim of “realism” being marginalized for decades is hardly an original one, but I do think that it is making more and more of a comeback. In fact, its current vibrancy and diversity is part of what inspired me to write this essay.

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By: Randall David Tipton https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2211 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:16:06 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2211 In reply to Richard Kooyman.

You said it Richard!

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By: Richard Kooyman https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2210 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:20:32 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2210 What an odd essay. Is there really “so much vitriol between different artistic camps” as Hagler suggests? Who are the “many respected and established artists (who) are at each other’s throats” over the different styles of painting choices? Personally, I’m not engaging in “outrageously unprofessional behavior arising out of aesthetic disagreements”. Are you? Do you know of any painters who are?
Hagler writes “For decades now, it has been widely asserted that any type of realism (which is in itself a loaded word) is passé, and therefore it has been actively marginalized by many mainstream critics and contemporary art institutions.” Is that really true? Without even trying I can think of 1/2 dozen well respected NYC galleries than deal with artists whose subjects works around realism in some manner. We live in an exciting time in painting today where no one style or manner of making paintings is ruling the roost. Isn’t it time we lay these tired old cliches to rest?

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By: Christopher E. Harrison https://paintingperceptions.com/apollo-and-dionysus-in-the-representational-painting-family-feud/#comment-2209 Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:08:43 +0000 http://173.254.55.177/~paintiu3/?p=5401#comment-2209 Great insights and comparisons of the philosophies in representational painting aesthetics. I find it intriguing how an artist’s instincts would guide them one way or another in the development of their style – influences from environment, exposure or an emotional affinity toward a specific type of approach. It made me ponder in which category my work would fall in!

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